Can't wait to see how *this* plays out...
Category IBM/Lotus
Over on Bruce Elgort's blog, we have a posting of an email received by his company complaining about Bruce's unprofessional behavior over the Radicati incident. In this email, one Daniel Johnson complains about harassment on other blog sites by Bruce over this episode. After providing some links, he states...
Mr. Elgort proceeds to spend his time scouring other blogs, harassing online bloggers such as myself, and apparently feels that it is his right to demand answers and insult them at will with false assumptions.
Um... OK... On Colin's site, we get the following exchange between the two...
4. Daniel Johnson (2004.07.29 - 06:19) #
Some observations:
1) The analyst was amazingly stupid, but having read all that he wrote, I give him some points for daring to lock horns with the Lotus community. For that I would forgive him, especially when the poor, passionate youngster was most likely acting and reacting on his own. I cannot believe any company would happily sanction this behavior.
2) ALL analyst firms are guilty of at least some commissioned research. No one is immune to the lure of a little extra cash. If this was an indication of lack of credibility or integrity, then they are ALL guilty, no questions asked. And I have seen far dirtier deeds from bigger firms than a silly little report comparing (surprise) Microsoft and IBM.
3) All this bad behavior has been at the word of JUST ONE MAN (alright, and some of his friends). An IBM Lotus employee (and some members of the loyal Lotus community). Yes, apparently there are emails and IP address and blog comments to prove all misdeeds, but we forget that this is just a blog, and yes it is a very visible blog, but it is a personal, prejudiced collection of thoughts and opinions. No one is infallible, no one person's opinions and thoughts are dogma, and why in the world is a competitive marketing exec of IBM Lotus wasting his time blogging and digging up dirt on some insignificant company with a name like Radicati???
4) Personally, I'd rather hear more about products and strategy direction than how some silly company published something that will be forgotten in a week.
6. Bruce Elgort (2004.07.29 - 22:40) #
Daniel,
Please give me a call or shoot me an email. I would love to chat with you. My number is 360.834.8581. I am out on the West Coast. Call anytime.
Bruce
Uh... That's harassing and insulting?
And on the Lotus Informer site which is sited, we get the following exchange with a "Joseph Lewis"...
There are other issues at hand. I downloaded the study and it's not great, but it's just a study drawing some parallels from 2 previous studies. That's fine, this is the firm's business. What troubles me more is that going back in Ed Brill's blog, the only things commended are studies praising Lotus. Is every such study so perfect? Anything remotely unpleasant is torn to shreds. Objectivity? I think not. Readers seem to have forgotten that. Some young analyst stupidly decided to engage Lotus-loyal bloggers in what looks like an attempt to argue his point and defend his work. Dumb move, but what level did this sink to? Supposedly mature people mud-slinging, resorting to googling names in the middle of the night, petty name-calling. These were not the actions of the firm but those of people with nothing better to do than pick a fight online. In such an economy, I can't believe that this is the most productive use of a day. Of course it was probably fun, but one has to wonder at the underlying reason for getting so riled up. Until Ed's blog, most people probably never heard of this small company, and Lord knows that NO BUSINESS is without some politics, a little extra commission, and skewed viewpoints. As a face of IBM Lotus, Ed's behavior in championing such drivel has been appalling, and as an apparent leader in this community, he has shown them all to be a bunch of bored thugs with nothing better to do. I am not impressed with the way the Lotus community acted in this matter.
Posted by: Joseph Lewis — 07/28/2004 - 10:00:04 PM
Joseph, I would enjoy chatting with you off-line about your post. I wanted to email you but you didn't include your email address. Please send me an email so we can have a dialog. Perhaps a phone call? I am very interesting in hearing more about your views. Click on my name to send me email. Bruce
Posted by: Bruce Elgort — 07/28/2004 - 10:54:24 PM
And this is harassment how?
And now Volker is wading into the fray with forensic analysis. Knowing what Volker's pulled off in the past, I'd be really worried if this is a continuation of anonymous posting and harassment on the part of Radicati. Nobody hides from Volker... :-)
Personally, I'd love to turn both of these responses and email over to someone versed in the art of forensic linguistics, as my initial impressions are that they could be from one and the same person. And if they are, there are some disturbing issues to be raised. An analyst "defends" his report anonymously, takes issue over how the Domino "thugs" react, tries to gloss over the anonymity aspect with the Johnson/Lewis responses, and throws as much mud as he accuses others of. If Volker or anyone else proves the IP address linkage or ties all these personalities together, I don't see how Ms. Radicati can save face other than a public apology and the removal of the party or parties responsible for these actions.
Over on Bruce Elgort's blog, we have a posting of an email received by his company complaining about Bruce's unprofessional behavior over the Radicati incident. In this email, one Daniel Johnson complains about harassment on other blog sites by Bruce over this episode. After providing some links, he states...
Mr. Elgort proceeds to spend his time scouring other blogs, harassing online bloggers such as myself, and apparently feels that it is his right to demand answers and insult them at will with false assumptions.
Um... OK... On Colin's site, we get the following exchange between the two...
4. Daniel Johnson (2004.07.29 - 06:19) #
Some observations:
1) The analyst was amazingly stupid, but having read all that he wrote, I give him some points for daring to lock horns with the Lotus community. For that I would forgive him, especially when the poor, passionate youngster was most likely acting and reacting on his own. I cannot believe any company would happily sanction this behavior.
2) ALL analyst firms are guilty of at least some commissioned research. No one is immune to the lure of a little extra cash. If this was an indication of lack of credibility or integrity, then they are ALL guilty, no questions asked. And I have seen far dirtier deeds from bigger firms than a silly little report comparing (surprise) Microsoft and IBM.
3) All this bad behavior has been at the word of JUST ONE MAN (alright, and some of his friends). An IBM Lotus employee (and some members of the loyal Lotus community). Yes, apparently there are emails and IP address and blog comments to prove all misdeeds, but we forget that this is just a blog, and yes it is a very visible blog, but it is a personal, prejudiced collection of thoughts and opinions. No one is infallible, no one person's opinions and thoughts are dogma, and why in the world is a competitive marketing exec of IBM Lotus wasting his time blogging and digging up dirt on some insignificant company with a name like Radicati???
4) Personally, I'd rather hear more about products and strategy direction than how some silly company published something that will be forgotten in a week.
6. Bruce Elgort (2004.07.29 - 22:40) #
Daniel,
Please give me a call or shoot me an email. I would love to chat with you. My number is 360.834.8581. I am out on the West Coast. Call anytime.
Bruce
Uh... That's harassing and insulting?
And on the Lotus Informer site which is sited, we get the following exchange with a "Joseph Lewis"...
There are other issues at hand. I downloaded the study and it's not great, but it's just a study drawing some parallels from 2 previous studies. That's fine, this is the firm's business. What troubles me more is that going back in Ed Brill's blog, the only things commended are studies praising Lotus. Is every such study so perfect? Anything remotely unpleasant is torn to shreds. Objectivity? I think not. Readers seem to have forgotten that. Some young analyst stupidly decided to engage Lotus-loyal bloggers in what looks like an attempt to argue his point and defend his work. Dumb move, but what level did this sink to? Supposedly mature people mud-slinging, resorting to googling names in the middle of the night, petty name-calling. These were not the actions of the firm but those of people with nothing better to do than pick a fight online. In such an economy, I can't believe that this is the most productive use of a day. Of course it was probably fun, but one has to wonder at the underlying reason for getting so riled up. Until Ed's blog, most people probably never heard of this small company, and Lord knows that NO BUSINESS is without some politics, a little extra commission, and skewed viewpoints. As a face of IBM Lotus, Ed's behavior in championing such drivel has been appalling, and as an apparent leader in this community, he has shown them all to be a bunch of bored thugs with nothing better to do. I am not impressed with the way the Lotus community acted in this matter.
Posted by: Joseph Lewis — 07/28/2004 - 10:00:04 PM
Joseph, I would enjoy chatting with you off-line about your post. I wanted to email you but you didn't include your email address. Please send me an email so we can have a dialog. Perhaps a phone call? I am very interesting in hearing more about your views. Click on my name to send me email. Bruce
Posted by: Bruce Elgort — 07/28/2004 - 10:54:24 PM
And this is harassment how?
And now Volker is wading into the fray with forensic analysis. Knowing what Volker's pulled off in the past, I'd be really worried if this is a continuation of anonymous posting and harassment on the part of Radicati. Nobody hides from Volker... :-)
Personally, I'd love to turn both of these responses and email over to someone versed in the art of forensic linguistics, as my initial impressions are that they could be from one and the same person. And if they are, there are some disturbing issues to be raised. An analyst "defends" his report anonymously, takes issue over how the Domino "thugs" react, tries to gloss over the anonymity aspect with the Johnson/Lewis responses, and throws as much mud as he accuses others of. If Volker or anyone else proves the IP address linkage or ties all these personalities together, I don't see how Ms. Radicati can save face other than a public apology and the removal of the party or parties responsible for these actions.
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